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Tartine Book No. 3: Modern Ancient Classic Whole (English Edition)

Tartine Book No. 3: Modern Ancient Classic Whole (English Edition)

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Chiara
5,0 su 5 stelle Bellissimo libro e molto utile!!
Recensito in Italia 🇮🇹 il 17 maggio 2019
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Adoro questo libro, è perfetto per chi inizia a panificare con la pasta madre/licoli.
Anche se è in inglese è di facile comprensione.
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Fanny Kumanova
5,0 su 5 stelle The best book about sourdough baking!
Recensito negli Stati Uniti 🇺🇸 il 17 marzo 2023
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This is the best choice for a book about sourdough baking!
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@Tortepane
4,0 su 5 stelle Fabulous Bread - Hard-to-Find Ingredients
Recensito nel Regno Unito 🇬🇧 il 25 novembre 2013
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Yay! Pre-ordered copy of Tartine Book 3 arrived this morning. Wait! What's all this?

I preface my comments by saying I am a HUGE fan of Chad Robertson and the Tartine Bakery; one of my colleagues has been lucky enough to spend time with him at the bakery and returned with glowing reports of him and his bread, so fabulous in person as well as in print. I loved his first two books 
Tartine Bread  and  Tartine: Sweet and Savory Pastries, Tarts, Pies, Cakes, Croissants, Cookies and Confections  and have baked from them extensively as have many of my colleagues and customers (I work at Shipton Mill in UK - We mill a range of organic & stoneground flour).

My first impressions of this latest volume however, are of fabulous breads that are much less accessible to the average home-baker, in the UK at least. In addition to the chapter on Basic Breads it contains chapters on:

* Master Method for Tartine Loaves (utilisiing a sequence of Starter, Leaven, Dough Premix, Autolyse and Final mix).
* Ancient Grain Breads (using Kamut, Emmer, Einkorn and Spelt flours)
* Seeded Breads (with all manner of seeds including Sunflower, Flaxseed, Sesame, Poppy, Caraway)
* Hearth Loaves with Sprouted Grains: (using Sprouted Einkorn, Purple Barley, Quinoa, Kamut, Rye, Spelt, Amaranth, and Emmer berries and Buckwheat groats for you to sprout yourself)
* Rene's Style Pan Loaves: (again using sprouted grains but in a higher percentage with lower percentage of flour including sprouted Rye, Barley, Purple Barley, Amazake (a preparation of Japanese rice grain) and Buckwheat groats plus the harder to find Einkorn flour)
* Porridge, Cracked and Flaked Grain Breads (including Master Methods for Porridge Breads & Cracked and Flaked Grain Breads, with fermented starters made from Rye, Kamut, Farro, Oats, Barley, Corn, Brown Rice, Koji Rice and Millet grains and berries)
* Crispbreads
* Pastries

The recipe chapters are interspersed with featured sections on the breads of Denmark, Sweden, Germany & Austria, France and Mexico chronicling Chad's journeys through bread.

The recipes all look amazing and I am sure taste equally fabulous if his first two books are anything to go by. But, and it's a big but, many of the ingredients are going to be hard to source by British home bakers, just take a look at the list below and ask yourself where you are going to source whole berries of these grains as well as some of the rarer flours. As always the intrepid adventurous bakers will go all out to do so and I anticipate an influx of enquiries here at the Mill asking if we do these ingredients. Whilst we offer an extensive range (42 different flours) to the home baker there are many of these ingredients which are not available in domestic quantities. Some flours are available, not just (for the sake of impartiality) from us, but other UK mills as well, such as Rye, Spelt, Buckwheat, Emmer Flour and Khorason (Kamut by another name), some such as Quinoa will shortly be available when we open our new gluten free mill however the majority are not and whole berries are only sometimes available by special order by the 25kg sack. Even more interesting is a comment in the introduction which notes at The Tartine Bakery they go one step further than an organic ethos in using Biodynamic flours which whilst milled from the purest and most sustainable grain imaginable is even more limiting and difficult to source if aspiring to the true Tartine Loaf. The professional artisan baker with access to a much more extensive range of high volume flours will likely make much greater use of this book, the domestic baker I fear may be disappointed by temptation put their way and no means to realise these fabuloafs.

I do feel the Amazon Book Description could do with a more comprehensive overview from the publisher and a Look Inside facility if readers are not otherwise going to be disappointed at the number of recipes they may find inaccessible. For this reason, and with great disappointment, I can only give this book a three star rating (*See my update for why I later upgraded it). As a fellow baker @thebreadkiln put it, Chad Robertson is a baker ahead of his time; if the description were more comprehensive, if it had a Look Inside so readers can judge for themselves how much of it they can use, and if the ingredients were more readily available it would be receiving a glowing five stars for fabulously creative baking methods, innovative contemporary breads and enticing photography. I have a feeling the grain farmers and millers are going to be scrambling to catch up with the demand created by this ground-breaking new book.

I will as always update these initial first impressions, once I've delved into it and got my hands into the dough! And to offer a ray of hope, I've just emailed my boss with this review and a summary of these hard-to-find ingredients.....watch this space fellow #breadheads!

Update 1:

OK - so overnight research via Google search has enabled me to source all bar four of the ingredients listed below from various online specialist suppliers in the UK; thus I have upgraded my initial star rating to four since it is after all a fabulous book and at least possible to achieve these recipes in the UK. The requirement to source such a large number of specialist ingredients prevents me however from giving it five stars which it otherwise undoubtedly deserves.

Hence, potential buyers beware: 97% of the bread recipes will require an online specialist purchase (see list of specialist ingredients below), with the possible exception of wheatgerm (required for every bread recipe) it is not going to be possible to walk into your local supermarket and buy the ingredients for the majority of these recipes and since there is no single supplier who provides them all it is going to cost in postage to have all these things delivered. Hence this remains a book for the professional with easy access to specialist ingredients or the experienced #breadhead looking to advance their repertoire, who positively enjoys the challenge of seeking out rare ingredients, doesn't mind spending the extra money to source them or has the knowledge to adapt the recipes for what they have available. Those new to slow fermentation breads or wanting more easily acquired ingredients may prefer his first book 
Tartine Bread  which is a great introduction to Chad's style of baking.

Better news is that the Pastry section has far more accessible recipes. Whilst several still require online specialist purchases if you want to be true to the recipe, all bar one of the 42 recipes could easily be adapted to commonly available ingredients. So if you love Tartine for its sweet treats then this is a winner with lots of interesting and contemporary cakes and pastries using flours more commonly used for breads such as rye, buckwheat, Kamut (Khorason by another name) and spelt, all commonly available.

Happy Baking
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Specialist Ingredients (in addition to more commonly available flours):

Buckwheat groats
Corn (Medium Fine Cracked)
Corn (Whole Kernels)
Einkorn Berries
Einkorn Flour
Emmer berries
Farro Grains
Kamut Berries
Kamut Flakes
Kamut Flour
Koji rice
Millet grains
Nori
Oat flour
Oat grains
Oat groats
Purple Barley berries
Quinoa (Whole grains)
Rye (Cracked)
Rye (Flaked)
Rye Berries
Rye Bran
Rye Flakes
Spelt Berries
Spelt Flakes
Wheatgerm (in every recipe)
Wheatgerm (Raw)

Of these, the ingredients I have thus far been UNable to source in domestic quantities in UK are Einkorn berries, purple barley berries, Emmer berries (all for sprouting) and medium fine cracked corn. So if anyone has a source for these and fancies adding a comment with the supplier to this review please do!
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Emil A.
4,0 su 5 stelle Excellent, but should have been proof-read once more
Recensito negli Stati Uniti 🇺🇸 il 24 dicembre 2013
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I love this book. I love Chad and Tartine, too. He's a fantastic baker, and a great guy, and I enjoyed meeting him in his esteemed bakery. I own the first Tartine book and had this one pre-ordered for months before it just arrived in time for the holidays. This morning I made the Salted Chocolate Rye Cookies and they are simply awesome. I've already read most of the book and I'm going to have quite a bit of fun with many of the recipes. I highly recommend this book to anyone who has at least moderate baking experience and wants to go to the next level with recipes that use whole, ancient grain flours and cultured milk and cream such as kefir.

The reason I'm giving taking a star off the rating for this book is that it needs attention in the accuracy of some of the recipes. I'm going to point one as an example. The Chamomile-Kamut Shortbread recipe was obviously not given enough attention to detail by the editor. It asks for 10g of chamomile flowers to be infused into 53g of honey. Well, that's great on paper, but trying to do this in reality produces a sticky mess of the worst quality. You'll end up with almost all of your honey being bound by the flowers and/or tea-bag you're using. You may be able to squeeze out 1 tablespoon out of the original 1/4 cup quantity of honey. The recipe goes on to tell you to "Remove the chamomile and discard." Then it never tells you what to do with the chamomile infused honey. And later at the end tells you to "then fold in the lemon zest and chamomile flowers". Well, for someone with experience it's not going to be a problem to figure out to whip the honey with the butter and ignore the chamomile flowers instruction, but for someone relatively new to baking it would be a problem. These kinds of confusing instructions could, and should have been avoided in a book of this quality. UPDATE: I just finished baking these and noted yet another error/inaccuracy in the same shortbread recipe. It instructs to cut the shortbread into 1x2" cookies and that the recipe would yield about 5 dozen cookies. That means 60 cookies at 2 sq. in. per cookie, or 120 sq. in. of shortbread needed to get that yield. I'll let you decide how to get that from a 6x10" pan (i.e. 60 sq. in. of baked surface). In other words, the actual yield is half of what the recipe promises. Yes, the book was definitely rushed to print before it was ready for prime time.

I also agree with one of the previous comments that points out that the book has an air of pretentiousness about it. Though, as they say, it ain't bragging if you can do it, and they definitely can do it at Tartine. Still, let's remember Charlie Trotter and pause...take a breath...and be human again.

One more thing that I was thrilled about was the primer on kefir and making kefir cream and butter. It was sort of a synchronicity for me as I had just started culturing raw milk kefir about 3 weeks ago and made kefir cream and butter about 4 days before the book showed up. I was super stoked about this and will be making the Lemon-Poppy-Kefir Pound Cake as soon as my next batch of kefir cream is ready so I can beat it into butter. On that note, if you have not yet had real kefir-cultured butter from raw cream, well, I'm simply hoping you will do yourself a favor and make it so that you can understand what an incredible difference it makes.
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D. Sweedler
5,0 su 5 stelle Sprouted Grain and Porridge Recipes for some extraordinary bread recipes from Chad Robertson and Tartine
Recensito negli Stati Uniti 🇺🇸 il 19 dicembre 2013
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I admit to being a bit daunted by the number of sprouted grain recipes as my previous grain sprouts have yielded mixed results. Chad has a pretty detailed single page (Pg. 110 with pg.111 devoted to pictures of sprouted grain) devoted to sprouting your own whole grains. My only caveat is you must source grains capable of a decent yield of sprouts and many health food stores sell whole grain that will not sprout sufficiently due to age and handling.

The porridge Bread recipes include a batch of grains that is cooked before being fermented as part of the dough and I already have one of these rising. There are recipes for Amazake rice bread and Koji starter grain bread! In many ways it doesn't matter how my first attempt turns out as this is very technique dependent style of baking so hands on experience with these wet and sticky doughs requires a bit of fearlessness on the part of a amateur baker. Shaping really sticky wet dough is tricky and don't expect your results to look like Chad's beautiful pictures until you have some experience under your belt. He is baking in a commercial gas fired brick oven with steam injection so let that be part of your guide as to differences between his results and yours.The really thick crusts and great oven spring are created in brick ovens with steam injection so you must figure this one out using your own oven.

If you are not sure you want to go down the ancient sprouted whole grain bread pathway, then try some of Dave's Killer Sprouted bread sold in supermarkets all over the US first to see if you like these new tastes and textures. I like the richness of whole grain and sprouted breads so I am intrigued enough by many of these recipes to try to source the whole grains in sprouting condition. In other words, unmilled and viable for seed. There are flatbread and pastry recipes too and as of yet unexplored by me. This is very new territory for me as a bread baker but exciting. If other bakers have sources for sprouting quality kamut, einkorn and amaranth, I hope they can post them here for us to share.
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Rick
3,0 su 5 stelle Tempered Enthusiasm, Partial Disappointment
Recensito negli Stati Uniti 🇺🇸 il 6 gennaio 2014
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Chad Robertson explains in “Tartine Book No. 3” that “Tartine bread is built within a system that defines our approach to baking” (p. 32). This system is presented in a section called “Master Method for Tartine Loaves” that provides the underlying foundation for bread baking with this book. There are certain aspects of this method that have merit and for which I have some excitement for, yet I believe that parts of it are over-simplified and disappointing. Therefore, I wish to now join the ranks of the critical reviewers, but if it’s any consolation I can honestly say that my favorite bread book at least has a picture of Chad Robertson on the cover—although it was authored by someone else! Said book, “The Bread Builders: Hearth Loaves and Masonry Ovens” by Daniel Wing and Alan Scott, would be a great addition to your bread baking library if you decide to bake from Robertson’s Tartine books because it will help address some of the shortcomings of the Tartine method.

One of the best things the Tartine method has going for it is the use of Dutch ovens for baking with. The rationale is well-explained in “Tartine Bread,” “Home bakers are faced with the challenge of saturating with steam an oven designed to ventilate moisture. I have tried many methods for steaming in a conventional home oven, from wet towels to boiling pots of water, but no matter how much steam was created, it was impossible to trap enough moisture needed to achieve results at home similar to those from a professional bread-baking oven….Using the dutch oven at home allows you to bake gaining the two main characteristics of a professional brick oven: a sealed moist chamber and strong radiant heat. The results are indistinguishable from those using a professional baker’s oven” (p. 66). Some of the product images supplied by customers of their finished loaves from “Tartine Bread” are quite impressive and they largely verified Robertson’s prediction in “Tartine Bread”: “I would not attempt a book with the home baker in mind if the results could never live up to the images. They can. And they will” (p. 32).

The one thing that we do not know from product images is what is happening on the bottom of the loaf. Although the top may appear very appealing, the bottom may have been burned to some extent. This is the area where I have had consistency problems with the Tartine method. Part of the problem arises from pre-heat instructions. Both “Tartine Bread” (p. 67) and “Tartine Book No. 3” (p. 41) specify a 20 minute pre-heat at 500F. I knew before I ever baked a single recipe from Tartine that there is no way that a cold Dutch oven placed in a cold oven will come up to 500F in 20 minutes. Because my results were variable, I decided to troubleshoot using a data logging thermometer and two K type thermocouples (one sensing the surface temperature of the Dutch oven and the other sensing the air in the vicinity of the Dutch oven). The advantage of this setup is that the steel braided thermocouples are thin enough to pass out through the oven door while maintaining a good seal and not requiring multiple opening and closings of the door to take temperature readings with an infrared device. With the Dutch oven on the lowest rack (as specified by Robertson), the air temperature in the oven took 21 minutes to reach 500F. That was about what was expected, but at 21 minutes the temperature of the Dutch oven was only 371F. The total pre-heat time for the Dutch oven to finally reach 500F was actually 47 minutes--over double the instructed time. So, the Dutch oven continues to heat up well past the 20 minute period specified by Robertson, and the results vary depending upon how much longer you actually wait before you bake.

Your oven’s controls do not know of the existence of a Dutch oven (nor of a baking stone). I have just demonstrated to you that these items can be at a very different temperature than the air in the oven. The information presented in “The Bread Builders” is aimed at assisting people to bake with masonry ovens, but I have found that some of this information has been equally helpful in fine-tuning results from the Tartine method.

Robertson writes that his method “is devoted to the use of natural leaven, often called sourdough. I promote using a ‘younger’ leaven with very little acidity” (“Tartine Bread,” p. 15). This has been nice for my family, because my wife will eat some of his repertoire whereas she normally is not interested in sourdough breads. Robertson provides instructions on how to determine when your leaven is ready to bake, called a “float test.” I have found that my Tartine-method younger leaven typically passes this test around a pH of 4.7 to 4.8. This is in contrast to “Peter Reinhart’s Whole Grain Breads” (p. 77) which specifies a range of 3.5 to 4.0.

There are some authors who only use sourdough starter to provide acidity while the final dough is leavened primarily by commercial yeast rather than from the slower acting wild yeasts naturally present in the starter. I have generally found these recipes to be mild in taste, and it is not totally apparent to me whether the extra effort to bake pure sourdough without commercial yeast is justified given the extra time involved. In “Tartine Book No. 3,” the master method has changed somewhat from the first book to include even longer bulk rise times of 3-4 hours (or overnight) and the final rising expected to take 3-5 hours (or overnight). These are very significant time commitments.

In “Tartine Bread,” the sourdough starter was refreshed once per day, but the actual Tartine Bakery did not follow that method. This always concerned me greatly. Robertson writes thus regarding the bakery, “We always feed at moderate room temperatures using a small seed amount (less acid transfer), and we feed often—a few times per day depending on the season” (p. 72). Happily, the Tartine method has been modified in “Book No. 3” to be two times per day, which is definitely an improvement. For some time, I tried a 2X/day refreshment scheme by another author, but I was never entirely satisfied with its leavening. After researching and trying out a lot of approaches by different authors, I came to the conclusion that my cultures were better off with three refreshments per day leading up to a bake. If you try out Robertson’s starter instructions and are satisfied—then all is well. Just remember that “The Bread Builders” has one of the best presentations on maintaining a sourdough starter, and it can be of great assistance if you need troubleshooting advice.

“Tartine Book No. 3” has a much larger repertoire than “Tartine Bread.” Some of the recipes look quite interesting, if not even exotic. I expect that it will be an interesting journey.

Update May, 2016: over the last two years, the book has proven to be both interesting and exotic. It has been my general experience that the pan loaf style of baking has worked better for my taste buds with these recipes than the darker baked boules that Tartine is more famous for. In almost every instance where I have made a dark baked boule I have regretted it and wished I hadn't. I have been finding that Tartine pan loaves often have a very agreeable crumb that works excellent for sandwiches, while the dark crust just seems to overwhelm and dominate the wonderful crumb flavor. I feel justified in baking these recipes using a pan because it was covered in the first book, being perfected by one of the test bakers whose name was Dave (see "Tartine Bread, pp. 84-87).

I was also given a book by Samuel Fromartz called "In Search of the Perfect Loaf, a Home Baker's Odyssey." Fromartz visited the Tartine bakery and provides valuable information on dough hydration which has resulted in better gluten development of the loaves that I bake from this book. I plan on continuing on with my journey through this book, but I expect that it will be slowed somewhat by going back to bake more often from the first Tartine book which has yielded some favorites that I have missed baking while concentrating my efforts on this book.
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Rick
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Chad Robertson explains in “Tartine Book No. 3” that “Tartine bread is built within a system that defines our approach to baking” (p. 32). This system is presented in a section called “Master Method for Tartine Loaves” that provides the underlying foundation for bread baking with this book. There are certain aspects of this method that have merit and for which I have some excitement for, yet I believe that parts of it are over-simplified and disappointing. Therefore, I wish to now join the ranks of the critical reviewers, but if it’s any consolation I can honestly say that my favorite bread book at least has a picture of Chad Robertson on the cover—although it was authored by someone else! Said book, “The Bread Builders: Hearth Loaves and Masonry Ovens” by Daniel Wing and Alan Scott, would be a great addition to your bread baking library if you decide to bake from Robertson’s Tartine books because it will help address some of the shortcomings of the Tartine method.

One of the best things the Tartine method has going for it is the use of Dutch ovens for baking with. The rationale is well-explained in “Tartine Bread,” “Home bakers are faced with the challenge of saturating with steam an oven designed to ventilate moisture. I have tried many methods for steaming in a conventional home oven, from wet towels to boiling pots of water, but no matter how much steam was created, it was impossible to trap enough moisture needed to achieve results at home similar to those from a professional bread-baking oven….Using the dutch oven at home allows you to bake gaining the two main characteristics of a professional brick oven: a sealed moist chamber and strong radiant heat. The results are indistinguishable from those using a professional baker’s oven” (p. 66). Some of the product images supplied by customers of their finished loaves from “Tartine Bread” are quite impressive and they largely verified Robertson’s prediction in “Tartine Bread”: “I would not attempt a book with the home baker in mind if the results could never live up to the images. They can. And they will” (p. 32).

The one thing that we do not know from product images is what is happening on the bottom of the loaf. Although the top may appear very appealing, the bottom may have been burned to some extent. This is the area where I have had consistency problems with the Tartine method. Part of the problem arises from pre-heat instructions. Both “Tartine Bread” (p. 67) and “Tartine Book No. 3” (p. 41) specify a 20 minute pre-heat at 500F. I knew before I ever baked a single recipe from Tartine that there is no way that a cold Dutch oven placed in a cold oven will come up to 500F in 20 minutes. Because my results were variable, I decided to troubleshoot using a data logging thermometer and two K type thermocouples (one sensing the surface temperature of the Dutch oven and the other sensing the air in the vicinity of the Dutch oven). The advantage of this setup is that the steel braided thermocouples are thin enough to pass out through the oven door while maintaining a good seal and not requiring multiple opening and closings of the door to take temperature readings with an infrared device. With the Dutch oven on the lowest rack (as specified by Robertson), the air temperature in the oven took 21 minutes to reach 500F. That was about what was expected, but at 21 minutes the temperature of the Dutch oven was only 371F. The total pre-heat time for the Dutch oven to finally reach 500F was actually 47 minutes--over double the instructed time. So, the Dutch oven continues to heat up well past the 20 minute period specified by Robertson, and the results vary depending upon how much longer you actually wait before you bake.

Your oven’s controls do not know of the existence of a Dutch oven (nor of a baking stone). I have just demonstrated to you that these items can be at a very different temperature than the air in the oven. The information presented in “The Bread Builders” is aimed at assisting people to bake with masonry ovens, but I have found that some of this information has been equally helpful in fine-tuning results from the Tartine method.

Robertson writes that his method “is devoted to the use of natural leaven, often called sourdough. I promote using a ‘younger’ leaven with very little acidity” (“Tartine Bread,” p. 15). This has been nice for my family, because my wife will eat some of his repertoire whereas she normally is not interested in sourdough breads. Robertson provides instructions on how to determine when your leaven is ready to bake, called a “float test.” I have found that my Tartine-method younger leaven typically passes this test around a pH of 4.7 to 4.8. This is in contrast to “Peter Reinhart’s Whole Grain Breads” (p. 77) which specifies a range of 3.5 to 4.0.

There are some authors who only use sourdough starter to provide acidity while the final dough is leavened primarily by commercial yeast rather than from the slower acting wild yeasts naturally present in the starter. I have generally found these recipes to be mild in taste, and it is not totally apparent to me whether the extra effort to bake pure sourdough without commercial yeast is justified given the extra time involved. In “Tartine Book No. 3,” the master method has changed somewhat from the first book to include even longer bulk rise times of 3-4 hours (or overnight) and the final rising expected to take 3-5 hours (or overnight). These are very significant time commitments.

In “Tartine Bread,” the sourdough starter was refreshed once per day, but the actual Tartine Bakery did not follow that method. This always concerned me greatly. Robertson writes thus regarding the bakery, “We always feed at moderate room temperatures using a small seed amount (less acid transfer), and we feed often—a few times per day depending on the season” (p. 72). Happily, the Tartine method has been modified in “Book No. 3” to be two times per day, which is definitely an improvement. For some time, I tried a 2X/day refreshment scheme by another author, but I was never entirely satisfied with its leavening. After researching and trying out a lot of approaches by different authors, I came to the conclusion that my cultures were better off with three refreshments per day leading up to a bake. If you try out Robertson’s starter instructions and are satisfied—then all is well. Just remember that “The Bread Builders” has one of the best presentations on maintaining a sourdough starter, and it can be of great assistance if you need troubleshooting advice.

“Tartine Book No. 3” has a much larger repertoire than “Tartine Bread.” Some of the recipes look quite interesting, if not even exotic. I expect that it will be an interesting journey.

Update May, 2016: over the last two years, the book has proven to be both interesting and exotic. It has been my general experience that the pan loaf style of baking has worked better for my taste buds with these recipes than the darker baked boules that Tartine is more famous for. In almost every instance where I have made a dark baked boule I have regretted it and wished I hadn't. I have been finding that Tartine pan loaves often have a very agreeable crumb that works excellent for sandwiches, while the dark crust just seems to overwhelm and dominate the wonderful crumb flavor. I feel justified in baking these recipes using a pan because it was covered in the first book, being perfected by one of the test bakers whose name was Dave (see "Tartine Bread, pp. 84-87).

I was also given a book by Samuel Fromartz called "In Search of the Perfect Loaf, a Home Baker's Odyssey." Fromartz visited the Tartine bakery and provides valuable information on dough hydration which has resulted in better gluten development of the loaves that I bake from this book. I plan on continuing on with my journey through this book, but I expect that it will be slowed somewhat by going back to bake more often from the first Tartine book which has yielded some favorites that I have missed baking while concentrating my efforts on this book.
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DelJes
4,0 su 5 stelle Artsy book by Influential Baker
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This book has many good ideas for how to bake bread at home. In particular Robertson has a method of using smaller amounts of starter than typical when making dough, using the starter sooner (younger) than other techniques, and letting the bulk and proof stages go a little longer. He is also innovative in his preference for using sprouted grains and porridges in naturally leavened breads.

This book uses the techniques of Tartine Book 1 but with whole grains (although by that he means mixed with white flour 50/50.) I enjoy that there are recipes for kamut, spelt, buckwheat, rye, and einkorn. The pastry section is particularly interesting.

Drawbacks: prepare to waste a lot of dough. His home method requires such excessive waste, about a cup of flour per day, which I'm sure he doesn't have in the bakery. And since we are using organic, maybe biodynamic, stone ground whole wheat flour, for me this is about $.50 a day expense before bread is even baked. There are other methods that don't have this waste, it is not essential to the sourdough process.

A second problem I have is that these "ancient grains" he promotes are $6/pound on Amazon or in the local store. I can't imagine who can afford that kind of expense for bread. I will make the kamut, spelt, and einkorn breads as a fancy alternative, but not for everyday.

My biggest problem with the book is just the relentlessly annoying artsiness of the book. Lavish "bread porn" crumb shots suitable for a coffee table book, text running sideways on the page (really!), and all around difficulty in using the book to cook from. To make a recipe you'll have to flip back and forth among several pages.

Overall, this book is for the experienced home baker who is willing to make bread over the course of two days and wants to keep up with the trends in artisan bread. Robertson's style has infected bakeries across the whole country and its nice to be able to replicate that. But good grief, I wish he had a serious editor who was interested in cookbooks that get used by real people. (Maria Guarnaschelli?) This is a book that will never be loved and is just barely usable.
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Otis Maxwell
4,0 su 5 stelle Wonderful and beautiful Old World-style breads made by you!
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I have baked countless loaves of the basic Tartine recipe and it's an excellent and popular bread (one change: I use 20% whole wheat flour vs the 10% called for). I don't think I've ever had a failed loaf. I realize many people feel it's difficult to make but I think that's because the instructions (in the previous Tartine baking book) are so detailed, really more of an essay than a recipe. Don't second guess yourself. If you are comfortable handling wet doughs and building gluten through a multi-step process, you will do fine. Oh, and use a cast iron dutch oven unless you are in total control of the steam level in your home oven. That's essential.

Now to the new cookbook. I was excited to try the porridge and sprouted grain loaves after tasting some of the breads at Bar Tartine. I have made the Koji and a couple of other porridge breads and sprouted barley and sprouted smoked rye. You need a good source of untreated grain berries, like a bulk department in a well stocked natural foods store. I bought "regular" barley and had the same problem the author describes with the husks not softening. Actually it adds an interesting texture to the loaf... fiber! I've seen the purple barley he describes in the bulk bins at Rainbow Grocery in SF and will make an effort to get it for a future bake.

The smoked rye bread is simply amazing... the vegetarian daughter of a friend described it as having a "meaty" taste... an unintended compliment. A very experienced baker told me it was the best rye she'd ever tasted... and technically it's not even a true rye. Do follow the instructions for smoking but be aware your kitchen will smell like a BBQ smokehouse afterward, even with the vent hood going full blast. For my second bake, I used my outdoor smoker and saved my marriage.

An additional benefit to these moist, dense breads is they have excellent keeping characteristics. In fact, you shouldn't even consider tasting it until the day after you bake it. I have a slice of a week old smoked rye on my plate right now and it is tender and delicious.
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My opening statement is true, I do love the book, the recipes, guidelines, and history are well worth the price of admission and I don't think you can find this degree of inspiration anywhere else. However I will agree with others that this book does not stand on its own and is not a great book for beginners. It is also not a great book for those who require absolute certainty about each and every step in a process--natural levain (sourdough) baking is probably not a process for those who require absolute certainty about times, temperatures and amounts either (particularly working in a home kitchen).

I would like to second another reviewers recommendation of another book for those who are seriously considering baking their own naturally leavened breads: The Bread Builders: Hearth Loaves and Masonry Ovens by Daniel Wing and Alan Scott, it too my mind has an excellent description of the biological, physical, and chemical events that are going on at all stages of the process of creating this type of bread. This knowledge will make you much more comfortable in making the adjustments that are required to the Tartine Method due to the variables of flour, temperature, culture, etc.

Buy this book and "Tartine Bread" to inspire and the Bread Builders for the theory--then go bake a loaf--I expect you will be happy.

PS--the additional recipes in both this book and Tartine Bread are also excellent for creative ideas on what to do with your bread once its baked and on extending your baking skills into the pastry realm.
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